Hi Tracey As you may know I preach not to discuss values in the identification forums as we deal with this tender subject elsewhere on the site. Just go here to the vintage and antique china values page. His worked developed to be very individual, quirky, distinctive and recognizable too. If I were to have it professionally repaired (where in the world does one find someone to do that?) would it really lower the value of it? And if, in fact it is a Walter Bosse, how do I find the value of it? Thank you! = Reply by Peter (admin) Hi Sherri Good detective work! Could well be Bosse - he did over 8000 sculpts for various German companies over that period of the 20th Century. There is still a tiny piece missing and a crack. It does have a problem however the one raised leg has been broken, and probably my grandmother is the one who tried to glue it back on. Even though it is porcelain, it has the very distinct head shape that is on his brass and bronze pieces. I have been looking and looking for days now, and I believe it to be a porcelain with blue glaze by Walter Bosse. Peter, mine is the horse or donkey that has the Metzler and Ortloff mark on it, along with the word "germany". I know what it is!! (i think!) by: Sherri I would bare this in mind whist doing my bumbling around buying and selling bits and bobs of old china! Peter (admin) Numerous figures were designed by Siegismund Wernekinck who also worked for the company of Galluba & Hoffmann." So for my money, Metzler & Ortloff are a quality maker and rare, so in my mind should be very collectible. However, here is an interesting extract from "Quite a few well known sculptors worked for 'Metzler & Ortloff' or had their items produced there, for example Paul Wynand and the specialist for animal figures Paul Zeiler. They may disagree and say this is all just co-incidence. So, in my mind, I would say that this company is important in that it may have had an influence on the styling of hugely successful maker Lladro. Far East makers do copy Lladro, but likely if it was a German maker Lladro must have been influenced by this older maker. Lladro is a newish company only being founded in Spain in the 1950's, so my question was who copied who. The other thing was how much the style and glaze finish looked like Lladdro to my eye. However, my excuse is there are over 40 pages of circle marks, and I have to get some sculpting done sometime! The interesting thing for me about this query is from the outset I thought the sculpting was of good quality and looked better than most Far East modeling - so almost had to be German (it didn't have an English look to it). Although this maker was in fact in my Kovels dictionary of mark (p 99) I somehow managed to miss it. I found the answer while doing a special search on ebay (the same system I talk about in this page - China Replacement research). This mark looks to be one of the standard export marks used from around 1923. The maker can be revealed as Metzler & Ortloff (1875 to 1972) of Ilmenau, Thuringia, Germany. The following page is a 'must see' if you are researching fine china - for value and identification:- Researching the identity and value of antique and vintage fine china. Scroll down to the comments section for my answer ***END UPDATE*** Best regards, Peter (admin) p.s. See how right or wrong my guess was and what 'story' is revealed.
***UPDATE*** I found the answer while doing a special search on ebay (the same system I talk about in this page - China Replacement and research. Maybe someone who knows will see this and shed some light. However, it may have an interesting story to tell about a period in history and may have a value.
I think it may have started out life as an inexpensive trinket rather than premium - but could be wrong because the sculpt is good quality. Why? Too good modeling to be Far East, which is generally pants (no offence). Reply by Peter (admin) To:- M O Pottery Mark Query - Crown above "M" overlaying "O" in a circle with the word "FOREIGN" underneath Hi Tracey Nice query on "Pottery Mark Query - Crown above "M" overlaying "O" in a circle with the word "FOREIGN" underneath". HOW I MADE MONEY FROM BITS & BOBS OF OLD CHINA. Thanks in advance, and best wishes Tracey = reply by Peter (admin) below - just scroll down. I stumbled across your site so wondered if anyone here would know a little more and be kind enough to share. As well as the markings detailed above, and shown in the picture, the numbers 7213 appear to be imprinted on the base. When I was dusting it earlier, the green maize protective base fell off, and revealed the pottery mark as mentioned above which I am having difficulty in finding any further information on.
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